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Poster: vapors Date: Nov 11, 2009 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You Veterans

JOTS - Not telling you what to do or say, and if you feel the need to rant about your co-workers who am I to stop you. Plenty of other useless and demeaning stuff gets posted here all the time.

Our veterans ought to have our gratitude and respect –your approach at getting something off your chest regarding so-called “vets” you work with seems a bit misplaced here. Just saying what I feel. Peace and out. vapors

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 11, 2009 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You Veterans

yeah i guess s. some things aren't allowed to be said anywhere. some people are untouchable ( even the ones that are a-holes )I'll delete due to peoples rabid sensitivities

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 11, 2009 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You Veterans

Hey J--seems like it's all water under the bridge now, and you're right: this was a thread of "thanks" for a category/class of folks that I know you respect, in principle, even if struggling to with various individuals in practice. Thus, as you note, probably not the right place for a "hijack" (if that's what it was) to note exceptions or other issues apart from the general notion of thanks to those that have experienced the horrors of war for their country, when it's been right, and when it's been wrong.

The world has become increasingly complex, and we still struggle with developing alternative approaches to political and cultural differences that don't involve violence of various sorts (from war to imperialism to economical exploitation, etc)...but, suffice it to say many a young man (and now women) has been placed in horrific circumstances beyond his control, and by defn had to view it as a terrible job that had to be done with only the lives of others of the squad, platoon and perhaps company the only concern. It's just not appropriate for them to make judgements in those immediate circumstances, apart from classic war crimes instances, and thus, inappropriate for us to judge them on what we have the liberty of debating (in part due to prior vet sacrifices) under nonbattle conditions.

At least that's my take on why we attempt to separate "thanks" to the vets from endorsing political ends, or particular failings of the military industrial complex.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 11, 2009 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You Veterans

hey Tell. I understand that it was bad on my part to chime in like that. It just sometimes burns me to lump some people in with others

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Nov 12, 2009 5:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You Veterans

A wise person once told me, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

Thanks to all the veterans for their service.

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Poster: deyzof49 Date: Nov 11, 2009 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You Veterans

Perhaps I misunderstood yer post too. One of my friends I saw today was on the beach at Normandy. Him and my father and their friends , modest quiet men did their duty without expecting any respect from you. It's always the poor working classes who fight the wars. Some of my friends were in Vietnam, being English I escaped conscription. I'm probably as old as yer Father and too old to queue up for the latest computer war game.
I'm with Leonard. Don't make me puke.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 11, 2009 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You Veterans

" Him and my father and their friends , modest quiet men did their duty without expecting any respect from you."

I do respect those guys. Just like I respect this guy I work with who was in vietnam, doesn't talk about it, doesn't WANT to talk about it. It's just that I see the ones that are always the most vocal about this seem to be the ones who didn't do anything and expect their ass to be kissed. If that makes you puke then so be it.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 11, 2009 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You Veterans

here's what i was saying if you misunderstood - I'll use a military story. I knew this guy who was a chief in the Air Force. To those that don't know chief is pretty much as high as you can get as an enlisted man and many times carry a lot more weight and clout than many officers. This guy was walking then starts walking really fast and says hurry up, I don't want to have to give officer so and so a salute. Apparently this guy was an officer but the chief had no respect for him and if he got caught face to face he'd have to salute him due to rank.

Get it now? That's all I was saying. There's some guys I know that I don't want to have to figuratively salute.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 11, 2009 12:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You Veterans

Oh--well then my post below was only half on target. Understood--then I would just argue that we can praise the group in general while agreeing there are always some bad apples, which has already been covered, and sure you're cool with...

My bad.